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Extra Credits: Collectable Games (Part 1)

This week, we begin a two-part series on the Collectable monetization model. (links below) We have a new EC t-shirt from Fangamer! Buy it here! http://www.fa…
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  1. When we have: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for
    EVERYBODY, what do we have over periods of time?
    We have fewer and fewer White children
    When we mix more and more non-Whites with fewer and fewer Whites in the
    same living space?
    In time, White extinction. Its genocide because this doesn’t happen by
    chance. It is being forced upon Whites just like a rapist does not take no
    for an answer
    How is this not White geNOcide?
    Anti-racist is a code for anti-white

  3. You guys should do truck off. The point in the game is for one team to
    deliver a truck to a destination and the other team needs to destroy them
    before that happens.(you will need sticky bombs)

  26. Also the collectible model is good for ccgs because your getting something
    to collect in a game you just bought nothing and in ten years it will still
    be worth nothing. Bad ideas like this need to be driven out of the gaming
    world like with people with pitchforks and torches frankenstein style.

  28. Only letting players buy random packs is the worst thing ever.
    They’re flat out saying: “Yes, we know very well that you guys don’t want
    everything we sell, but dammit, we want to sell it to you anyway, so we’ll
    lock the stuff you want away behind stuff you couldn’t care less about.”
    That’s like that skinner box used to its’ most awful degree in RPG
    questing. It stinks and it should go away immediately.

  29. I never really saw the appeal of card games like Yugioh and stuff, even as
    a kid it didn’t seem worth the little money I got.

    Also, the collectible thing applied to video games reminds me of Team
    Fortress 2. Luckily for everyone who doesn’t want to buy keys to open the
    skinner boxe- I mean Mann Co. Supply crates- there is a trading feature,
    and random item drops occasionally. I’ve been trading items I have
    duplicates of with items someone else has duplicates of but I don’t have
    yet, and ones they don’t have yet if possible. This is great for everyone.
    I’m talking about weapons and functional items of course, digital hats are
    okay but I wouldn’t pass up something that has a use all for a useless
    accessory.

  30. I hope this doesn’t come across as offensive to anyone who works on these
    games, because I do think they do good work and I have enjoyed M:tG a lot
    in my time, but all of these monetization methods are built on
    deceit–which I know you’re not denying, but you are discussing it in a
    neutral tone or even positively as a “problem solving” method. The only
    “problem” it solves is how to make people buy things they don’t want and
    might even *already have*, and that isn’t a real problem–it’s a
    manifestation of raw greed, or perhaps knowledge that a product can’t stand
    and sell on its quality.

    I realize that almost all of marketing is dedicated to getting to people to
    irrationally buy things that they don’t need and might not even want. I
    know this is hopelessly old-fashioned of me. But I have to say that honest
    business, in straight-up capitalism with genuine competition, involves
    selling things to people because they want or have use for them–and not
    based on desires or uses that the makers of the product created themselves,
    which are usually illusory and involve psychological manipulation. If you
    market, you can dedicate that resource and effort to spreading awareness of
    what you’re offering so that more people who would like it will buy it, or
    of extolling virtues that the product *actually possesses*–if it’s good
    there’s no need to search for new methods of monetization.

    You talk about the “monetization problems” that League of Legends has
    because no one buys two Nidalees for example, but LoL is a great success
    story and this is a good example of how it isn’t a problem of any sort. If
    they were selling random character packs and it was totally possible to pay
    like $5-10 and get a character you already owned, the customers of that
    game would not be happy, but Riot never has had to do that. All it needs to
    do is create new champions that lots of people will want. Not *every*customer will ever want any given one of them, but if
    *enough* do, it’s worth the cost of development. This pressure is incentive
    to create a quality product with broad appeal, and in LoL’s case that has
    been the result I think.

  31. I have enjoyed collecting Yugioh cards for years now, but I have always
    stayed looking for the first series of cards and stayed away from the newer
    series, they seemed more ridiculous than the first.

  32. Randomized bought item packs are only good for the game side its total
    bollocks for us gamers though. Every single up side you pointed out is a
    down side for the player. If i dont need the item i dont want the item its
    bs to trick me into getting it or better yet for you i got it 3 times
    fishing for the 1 item out of 50 that i need. Great for the game but total
    disrespect to the gamer. Devs that do this need to be hit with a truck.

  33. Hey Guys, if you want a great Collectable Online Game ,try out Clash of the
    Dragons on Kong, it is an awesome free to play Card game, with 4 classes,
    plenty of cards, a team of developers who really tries their best to listen
    to their customers (so much so that sadly their other game and my favorite
    Free to play game Legacy of Heroes is crashing because they set the game in
    a way that is couldn’t sustain itself while tending to the players)
    seriously give it a chance if ya can, you will not be disapointed, oh and
    the Art Work, seriously awesome cards

  34. The random model pretty much sums up why I left magic. It felt endless.
    Every new set out, my previous decks would become weak/unusable. That’s why
    I like the way hearthstone is coming up, it seems to weed out the problems
    I had with magic. Nothing feels worse than turning up to a magic tournament
    to find out all your decks are illegal, or that every player is abusing an
    OP card that costs 300 bucks or more. Meta game shouldn’t make your players
    have to pay to win.

  35. I think Axis&Allies miniatures would be a better collectable game model
    than a lot of others. While you could (and still can if you look hard
    enough) buy them individually, you would get a bonus for having many of the
    same unit. It would even be considered a good thing to have……..10
    Screaming Eagles figures since you could call them in at anytime, anywhere
    on the map. And some figures cost more than others and accidentally
    grabbing an unwanted piece could end up being more of a positive than a
    negative.

  36. I was reminded again of Warframe as I watched this video. “Piles of
    ‘commons'” and “combining collectibles to power them up” or “using them as
    parts of building other collectibles” are all concepts or scenarios that
    result from that game’s card-based Mods system. And while those Mods are
    collectible in-game via RNG magic, the game’s market still offers
    purchasable packs of random mods, just like the classic CCG model.

  37. I’m not really much into the whole card game collectible genre, but I like
    the appeal of it which is simple gambling. Too bad not too many video games
    use this kind of strategy to it’s fullest potential. The one that does come
    to mind when thinking about this is Borderlands, you basically only play it
    to get new items and to see what effect it has on your environment of
    stored items and opponents. I’m a console gamer and I have this gut feeling
    that the PC games do apply this element more, so yeah, can’t speak for that
    part…

  38. One thing that MTG does well is essentially allow you to start for little
    to no cash. Any serious player will give great swaths of cards to a new
    player for free, because that stack of commons is worthless.

  39. I actually played rage of bahamut for longer than I have any other F2P card
    game (there’s quite a few on android). It’s got great production values,
    but all these PvE focused CCGs with leveled cards that you have to
    upgrade… are all giant skinner boxes. There’s no focus on deck building
    like there is in something like MTG or Hearthstone.

  40. ??????? ]???????? Bob is building an army.
    ???????????????? ?/ This tank & Bob are against Google+
    Il???????????????????]. /? Copy and Paste this all over
    ???????????????.. / Youtube if you are with us

  41. Sooo many commons… I had a friend literally bring up the notion of
    burning them. I had to dissuade them, and promptly be annoyed by their
    existence. Thank god for casual commons drafts. I finally get to use stuff
    like Daggerdrome Imp and kick ass with it.

  42. The idea of being able to use low-level items for something useful is one
    of the main reasons the loot dropping in Team Fortress 2 is so engaging.
    You might not need another sammich, but you could always use some scrap
    metal

  43. I feel that this episode correlates very well with the one about MMORPGs,
    and how the developers use slim chances of dropping an awesome item,
    instead of dropping the “ingredients” so you can craft the item you want,
    since everything that is left to chance is engaging. (Btw, sorry I forgot
    which episode it is).

  44. God dammit, where do you keep getting this awesome music? I would just
    watch your show just for the awesome music you keep showing me from the far
    corners of the internet…

  45. I want to test out commenting here since I’m using a name other than my
    real name. There have been some . . . complaints on the subject, which are
    totally justified.

  46. I think I heard him say chimney imp is useless. Did I hear that right? I
    don’t understand. Chimney imp is one of the greatest cards ever, it can
    only be beaten by a storm crow.

  47. Not so much about collectables, but I watch more gameplay videos of The
    Binding of Isaac than I really should. And I’ve noticed that eventually,
    when the video produces have made a lot of videos, they start relying on
    particular items that can show up. This is especially prominent once those
    producers start using Isaac and his D6 to the exclusion of any other
    starting parameter, simply because it lets them try to “optimize” every
    playthrough. Even though they’re more than good enough to complete a run
    with the objectively worst items. What this means for viewers is that once
    producers find out which items them favor, they will ALWAYS go for those.
    That is very boring to watch. Can’t be all that exciting to play, either.
    Several producers exclusively play to break the game and get massive
    amounts of rewards, just so they can. Again, that’s boring as hell to watch
    and it can’t be all that entertaining to play.

  48. Check out Valkyrie Crusade on smartphones (available for both Android and
    iPhone). I think the game does a lot of things right for being a
    collectable game – or at least, it did in its early days. Now, I’m not so
    sure if I’ve just gotten bored of the game, or if the design of the game is
    just not good enough to keep people interested long-term (practically all
    of my friends that used to play have stopped since). It lasted a good 7-8
    months for me.

  49. Wait, this first video was an explanation on how collectable games can work
    and NOT be exploitable?
    Jeez, I look forward to seeing whet the guys at Extra Credits consider to
    be negative points. My opinion throughout this video was just how horrible
    the whole collectable system seems to me,

  50. et’s compare the good with the bad on this Google+ update shall we?
    The Good:
    1. Being able to edit comments, in case of glaring typos
    2. Being able to post lengthy opinions without multiple comments
    3. Organizing replies to an easier and less confusing system
    4. Making it easy to share things for those who actually use Google+
    The Bad
    1. Being forced to use a Service most of us have no intention of using
    2. Google trying to force us to use our real names
    3. Not being able to comment for a while, even with Google+ linked (luckily
    resolved for me but not others)
    4. Massive loss of information for users, like subscriptions
    5. Being notified for every like a comment of mine gets, on all my
    thousands of comments that I’m sure to post in the nest few weeks
    6. Being notified when someone replies to a comment I replied to, even when
    it has nothing to do with me, filling my Bell with comments I couldn’t care
    less about.
    7. ASCII Penii everywhere
    8. Links to viruses that can destroy computers with one curious click,
    especially bad to those who can’t afford to replace their computer
    9. Links to Screamers, Seizure Sites, Porn, and more for all out children
    to enjoy
    10. These comments can be disguised as “Expand this comment” making
    avoiding them difficult to impossible, so this is sure to cause multiple
    Seizures and Destory Countless Hard Drives
    11. Screen filling comments of utter pointlessness
    12. People can now edit their comments and change the context of an
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    13. Having to click “Allow” on my Noscript everytime I click the bell
    window no matter how many times I allow it
    14. Disliking a comment does not show any dislikes so you can’t dislike a
    comment effectively
    15. Impersonation of Username and Avatar
    16. Some people can’t reply to comments
    17. Top (usually first) comments getting all priority and attention and
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    themselves every video
    18. The Ultimate Evil itself infecting Youtube, Fucking Hashtags,
    themselves worth multiple points
    19. Hashtags
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    Bell
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    25. And finally, abusing the fact that most of our favorite content
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    someplace else, forcing us to stay here and take the Butt Rape Google is
    handing us.
    So tell us, do we have a right to complain?